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Old 6th October, 2003, 10:08 AM
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9800 Pro - Bad Clocker

I have a 9800 Pro from an OEM machine. At default, it clocks at 325/297. I have an 8RGA clocked at 9.5 x 224 which produces a clock speed of 2130 with agressive memory timings. With the AGP slot set at 66Mhz and default clocks, with the latest Omega drivers, this scores about 5000 in 3dMark2k3.

Clocking this up to even 330/300 makes the card lock up on testing. I amusing the RadClocker in the Omega package. Cooling in the box in general is excellent, 120mm intake, 80mm Blowhole and PSU extraction on 80mm too. So anyone any idea why this might not clock?

Or is it just poor silicon?

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I've got a sapphire 9700 pro which wont go more than about 340/310 without showing major artefacts. Also using radclocker from the omega package. I think it's the stock cooling not really being up to the task when you push it in this case.

A bit disappointing when you see guys hitting 360+ regularly but I wonder how heavily modded the cards are sometimes.
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I have a 9800 Pro from an OEM machine. At default, it clocks at 325/297. I have an 8RGA clocked at 9.5 x 224 which produces a clock speed of 2130 with agressive memory timings. With the AGP slot set at 66Mhz and default clocks, with the latest Omega drivers, this scores about 5000 in 3dMark2k3.

Clocking this up to even 330/300 makes the card lock up on testing. I amusing the RadClocker in the Omega package. Cooling in the box in general is excellent, 120mm intake, 80mm Blowhole and PSU extraction on 80mm too. So anyone any idea why this might not clock?

Or is it just poor silicon?

Cheers,

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Those default clock speeds do not tally with the 9800pro. IIRC it should be 380/340

I would have a close look at the card just to make sure you have a 9800pro.
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It is identified by WHQL drivers as a 9800Pro, it is identified by Omega drivers as a 9800pro and it is also registers as such in Sandra.

It is common for large OEM suppliers to have lower clocked version of flagship cards in their boxes, as was such with this one.

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Those default clock speeds do not tally with the 9800pro. IIRC it should be 380/340

I would have a close look at the card just to make sure you have a 9800pro.
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It is identified by WHQL drivers as a 9800Pro, it is identified by Omega drivers as a 9800pro and it is also registers as such in Sandra.

It is common for large OEM suppliers to have lower clocked version of flagship cards in their boxes, as was such with this one.

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I'd be very surprised if this was common !

From the info you have supplied I cannot find an ATI 9xxx graphics adaptor that matches the clocks of 325/300, the closest one is a 9700pro and that comes in at 325/310.

I don't run the omega drivers, but I believe that after installing the hacked 9800pro drivers, the card will be reported as a 9800pro even if you only have a 9500 or 9700.
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As I said, even with ATi issued, WHQL cetified drivers, this is identified as a 9800Pro. And it is common, or was at least with nVidia graphics cards, though this is the first time I have encountered it with ATi cards.

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I'd be very surprised if this was common !

From the info you have supplied I cannot find an ATI 9xxx graphics adaptor that matches the clocks of 325/300, the closest one is a 9700pro and that comes in at 325/310.

I don't run the omega drivers, but I believe that after installing the hacked 9800pro drivers, the card will be reported as a 9800pro even if you only have a 9500 or 9700.
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Having checked a little further, it would seem that the clock speeds that you quote tally to those of a 9800 non pro, being ~ 325/290
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It is identified by WHQL drivers as a 9800Pro, it is identified by Omega drivers as a 9800pro and it is also registers as such in Sandra.....LD
Not saying you're wrong at all... However, you cannot rely on the drivers to identify the card... Often the driver will misidentify the card, but work properly... all other programs won't identify the card, but just go by what the driver tells them... The only way to know for sure in your case would be to pull it out, inspect it and compare to pics.
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Having checked a little further, it would seem that the clock speeds that you quote tally to those of a 9800 non pro, being ~ 325/290
perhaps someone along the line slightly oc'd a 9800 non pro and performed some mod that would identify itself as a pro and did a switch?

a v. far fetched theory.
I would take it back to the oem with it at default settings and information printed from ati's website of the clock/memory speeds.

If nobody can find a 9800 pro with Lorddrakul's memory then the oem/dealer that sold it will have a hard time proving it is in fact a 9800 pro.

but theres always the chance you have a defective card?
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I have a 9800 Pro from an OEM machine. At default, it clocks at 325/297. I have an 8RGA clocked at 9.5 x 224 which produces a clock speed of 2130 with agressive memory timings. With the AGP slot set at 66Mhz and default clocks, with the latest Omega drivers, this scores about 5000 in 3dMark2k3.

Clocking this up to even 330/300 makes the card lock up on testing. I amusing the RadClocker in the Omega package. Cooling in the box in general is excellent, 120mm intake, 80mm Blowhole and PSU extraction on 80mm too. So anyone any idea why this might not clock?

Or is it just poor silicon?

Cheers,

LD
maybe it is a bad card? but you sure as hell got one good 8rga+
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Cheers mate!

Yes it is rather good.

Basically I have had a bit of luck in general with this. The board I got as commission in work, I had a bad 2200+ which I sold for €50 and bought a new 2000+ for less than €80 and the 9800pro was from an OEM machine for next to nowt. Also the ram was a swap for someone who got the wrong stuff from a supplier.

All in all,. Barton 3000+ performance with DDR450 and 5000+ in 3dmark2k3, not bad at all.

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