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Edu_AnGrA 7th March, 2006 08:50 PM

-> Mod your 6800GS AGP to Ultra Extreme with coolermod!
 
Guide to mod your 6800GS AGP to an Ultra Extreme!
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Finally! A complete guide about how to mod your 6800GS AGP to a legitimate 6800 Ultra Extreme! Remember that this tutorial is only valid to AGP versions of GS because PCI-E versions uses a diferent core, that don't even have the extras pipes. Well, it's impossible to enable what you don't have...:eek:

!! THIS TUTORIAL HAVE EXPERIMENTAL AND EDUCATIVE CHARACTER. MAKE BY YOUR OWN RISKS ONLY !!

Enought bull****s, let's go to business, =D. I've used an eVGA 6800GS AGP with Part Number: 256-A8-N387-TX. First, download and install the last version of RivaTuner, actual is v2.0 RC 15.8. DOWNLOAD RIVATUNER. Open the software and follow up:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...aturner_01.jpg
- 6800GS AGP originally "castrated" with 12/5 pipes. Note driver version: 83.60 BETA

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...aturner_04.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...aturner_02.jpg
- Select CUSTOM, enable "Allow enabling hardware masked units" and click on CUSTOMIZE.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...aturner_03.jpg
- On "HW masked" it shows the two bastards bits that are masked. Enable it by simply clicking under arrow shows

After enable the two bastards bits, click OK and you'll be asked to restart the system. Do it. Open RivaTuner again and verify if the extras pipes are enabled.If yes, still isn't time to open the champagne! I believe that you have some "hard" game installed on your machine, right? (if you don't, what the hell are u doing with a 6800?). Run the hard game and play for at least 30 minutes. Gives preference to run with the most quality you can. So, you'll be pushing your card to uses all the potential.

You can scan for artifacts using the ATi Tool version 0.24 Beta 13, that are compatible with GeForces.

If you don't detect any visual artifact, bug or something of type.....prepare the sallon because the party will start!!! :rolling:

CONGRATULATIONS, YOU JUST ACQUIRED A 6800GT!!!

-> If you detect some artifact, bug or something, backup the process!!! Sit down and cry because your card have damaged pipes by factory. BUT...still have hope for you, my unlucky friend. Try to enable only PIXEL PIPE and unable the VERTEX PIPE or "vice versa". Who knows if just one of the pipes are damaged and you still can uses one of then...it really happen with some brands/models

But the tutorial wasn't to mod to an Ultra Extreme you moron? Wait my child...this was only the beginning, relax because now it goes burn!!!

To mod to an Ultra or Ultra Extreme will be necessary mod and update the bios of the card (wich now is a legity GT, remember?). You'll need two softwares: NiBiTor v2.7 to mod your bios and nvFlash v5.25 to update the new modded bios.

Everything right under here? So let's go to next steps. Open up NiBiTor 2.7 and:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...tor_mod-01.jpg

Making this, the bios that are running right now on your card will be loaded to NiBiTor, so far, posible to mod the options. Before starting modding anything, made a backup copy of the bios that was loaded: File -> Save BIOS!!! Recommend that you create an east name like: biosback.rom, biosorig.rom, biosold.rom, etc...you really can need him...Modify the options in agreement as your necessities and own will. Another time I warn that I won't be responsable for some ######## that you can do!! Make by your own business and risks, ok!?

I've just modified the Core and Memory clocks to 450/1100 MHz (without enable "Change amount of active performance levels"), on Temperatures I've configured the Fanspeed 3D to 100% and on Boot Settings I've modified the text that is showed when you turn the system on (under Adv. Signon). If you want, you can enable the option that shows the amount of memory size, change the resolution, color of the text and boot during time. Are only visual "cosmetics"...

After finish changing options, go to File -> Save BIOS and save with the name and where your want to. If you use Windows XP, make and boot disk by going under My Computer -> clicking with right button on Disk 3 1/2" -> Format -> MAKE A MS-DOS INITIALIZATION DISK. After create disk, extract, on same disk, the files cwsdpmi.exe, nvFlash.exe (inside nvFlash.zip that you downloaded), "biosback.rom" (original bios that you MADE backup), "biosmod.rom" ("La transformación" bios!). Copy the original bios and the modded bios by NiBiTor (called biosmod.rom) to the same disk!!! Restart system and run boot under (of course, lol).

Run command: "nvflash -4 -5 -6 biosmod.rom" (without quotations marks). It will ask if you want to update bios, you anwser no...SELECT YES BROW!!! :crazy: . Update will longer a few seconds and will get you back to A:\> (or the letter of your disk unit). Restart your system, see the new boot screen if you've modified it, open RivaTuner and verify if the clocks are sucessful changed: Go to overclock session and unable "Enable driver-level hardware overclock".. Click OK, close RivaTuner, open it again and enable "Enable driver-...", select Detect Now and see wich are the clocks that Riva detected. If shows the clocks that you've configured, test again with some hard game or/and ATi Tool v0.24 Beta 13. If don't detect artifacts...

CONGRATULATIONS, YOU'VE JUST ACQUIRED A 6800 ULTRA EXTREME!!!

:thumbsup:

How much did you pay for it??? Hum...:kitty:, nice, nice!

Verify idle° and full° temperatures. I think that some guys will need cooler mod. Me too...here it is 56°C idle and 65-69ºC full...tense...cooler mod going run here!

EDIT: Make backup of the original bios under NiBiTor BEFORE starting moding and saving after.

Edu_AnGrA 7th March, 2006 08:55 PM

If you want to enable the 16/6 pipes under bios and complete abandon softmod (in case, RivaTuner), here it goes the steps:

Open the file "NV40BIOSHwUnitsMaskEliminator.rts" in folder C:\Program Files\RivaTuner v2.0 RC 15.8\PatchScripts\NVIDIA\NV40BIOSHwUnitsMaskElimin tor. Select Continue -> find the "biosmod.rom" that you mod on NiBiTor v2.7 -> YES. You'll see this screen:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...-6_bios-03.jpg

The "biosmod.rom" file was updated. Now, you need to re-write at the same disk that you used before. Update the file in disk, restart machine, boot up under the disk and repeat the last steps:

Command: "nvflash -4 -5 -6 biosmod.rom" (without quonation marks).

Restart again and...my god!!! Now you have a 6800 ULTRA EXTREME forever!!!

How much did you pay for it??? AhiuHuahIUa. GOOD!!!

\o/

Thats all folks! Any doubt, comment, sugetions, good or bad critical arguments, we are here. Have fun with you brand new toy that has, now, 16 pixel pipes, 6 vertex pipes, 450 e 1100 MHz natives!!!

Got EpOx 7th March, 2006 08:56 PM

Well done dude this mod is great, thanks for the info. :thumbsup:

Edu_AnGrA 7th March, 2006 08:56 PM

I didn't resisted...was too excited with this excelent card and I've adapted an Athlon XP fan on my pet!!! Now it is really "FULL MODDED" version. Check the pics:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ler-mod-01.jpg
- Original card without the protector plastic. Note the excelent copper base.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ler-mod-02.jpg
- Cutting down the protector plastic to adapt the new fan

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ler-mod-03.jpg
- Plastic after cut and all the material that I haven't used to mod: iron ruler, stiletto (thats broken up a little), Cooler Master fan and your copper dissipator base (that I don't have used)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ler-mod-04.jpg
- Card with the protector plastic cut

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y27...ler-mod-05.jpg
- The new pet!!! :thumbsup:

Got EpOx 7th March, 2006 09:12 PM

Come on guys put this as frontpage :P

Edu_AnGrA 7th March, 2006 09:33 PM

I want to edit some old links but the "Edit" button doesn't appear anymore. How can I do?

Favu 7th March, 2006 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Got EpOx
Come on guys put this as frontpage :P

I second that motion !! :thumbsup:

Gizmo 7th March, 2006 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edu_AnGrA
I want to edit some old links but the "Edit" button doesn't appear anymore. How can I do?

There is a 30 minute time limit on edits. PM me with your changes, and I can get them up for you.

madcatmk3 7th March, 2006 10:35 PM

how fast is the ultra extreme?

Pitch 8th March, 2006 12:21 AM

Awesome works.

Thanks alot for taking to time to share it with us. Yet another reason to own a 6800GS.

Edu_AnGrA 8th March, 2006 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gizmo
There is a 30 minute time limit on edits. PM me with your changes, and I can get them up for you.

Gizmo, can you plz review my three posts and fix the bad english?? It's a little...dumb... :P

Quote:

Originally Posted by madcatmk3
how fast is the ultra extreme?

Well...I'll return the question: How fast do you want it to be? lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitch
Awesome works.

Thanks alot for taking to time to share it with us. Yet another reason to own a 6800GS.

Thx. It's really is a pleasure to share this guide with you AOA guys. You have been helped me a lot in EPoX session, I want to retribute!! :thumbsup:

This guide was in Brazilian Portuguese original version. I've take some time to translate it. And, as u can see, still have a lot of errors...bad english, lol.

Gizmo 8th March, 2006 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edu_AnGrA
Gizmo, can you plz review my three posts and fix the bad english?? It's a little...dumb... :P

I'll see what I can do. :thumbsup:

However, it's liable to be a bit before I get to it, as I have a number of other tasks that need to be tended to as well. :(

dsio 8th March, 2006 08:35 AM

My 6800GT runs the Ultra Extreme BIOS off an Albatron UE press card. Default 450Mhz/1100Mhz with a higher voltage. The thing I havn't seen before is this cooler mod. I must honestly say, that is very good thinking.

Can you give us some before and after temps (loaded and idle)?

I have a very special 60mm fan I have been saving just for a mod like this.

60mm 8000RPM Delta Electronics 1.2A fan. Now to get fitting.

Very well done dude :thumbsup:

hoinar 8th March, 2006 09:35 AM

8000 RPM?! mate...wouldn't that hair dryer make too much noise?

dsio 8th March, 2006 10:28 AM

http://www.coolpc.com.au/catalog/pro...2a5b7065bff5d6

Thats where I got it.

Only 55 db.

Edu_AnGrA 8th March, 2006 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsio
The thing I havn't seen before is this cooler mod. I must honestly say, that is very good thinking. Can you give us some before and after temps (loaded and idle)?

I have a very special 60mm fan I have been saving just for a mod like this. 60mm 8000RPM Delta Electronics 1.2A fan. Now to get fitting.

Very well done dude

Thx dsio!!

I forget to post the temp differences:

- In full stock (12/5 pipes, 350/1000 MHz and original cooler), was 50-52°C idle e 60-63°C full.

- With Ultra Extreme mod (16/6 pipes, 450/1100 MHz and original cooler), was 52-54°C idle and 62-65°C full

- Full modded to Ultra Extreme (pipes, MHz + coolermod), stay in 52-53°C idle and 59-61° full. I think that coolermod hangged well because it was @ultra extreme natively (definitive mod under bios).

- Full modded to Ultra Extreme (pipes, MHz + coolermod) BUT with volt mod to 1.4V on core (original is 1.3V), stay in 53-56° idle and 62-66° full.

I've tested the full temperatures using the "Scan Artifacts" function per one minute of ATiTool 0.25 Beta 13 software. Despite the name, it is compatible with GF's. It is notable that cooler mod hang something...But with volt mod the temps became a little hot again.

I hasn't test the temps using games yet, only using Scan Artifacts at the moment. Can't get time to test with games and 3DMark's.

dsio 8th March, 2006 01:06 PM

Do you think it would perform better if you removed the stock blower on the HSF and just used the bigger 60mm fan, allowing it to blow out both ends of the cooler?

At the moment, the stock blower, and the fan are fighting eachother to some degree, causing turbulance on the left hand side.

The other improvement I would make, is using a 60mm duct, with at least 1 inch standoff to space the fan off of the GPU sink without losing any air pressure.

See, at this point, the center of the fan, which is about 2cm diameter is not providing any cooling, and that is near the center of the GPU's placement in the sink. Using the standoff, or better yet and angled standoff, you would get much better airflow efficiencey.

Using a bent 60/80 adapter standoff, you could even mount a nice 80mm fan using the duct to it, which I think may just improve things even better.

dsio 8th March, 2006 01:09 PM

http://www.coolpc.com.au/catalog/pro...products_id=90

http://www.coolpc.com.au/catalog/pro...products_id=91

If you used one of those, it could really improve things alot. Removing the blower would give it more exhaust room, reduce turbulance, and improve it even more. Then lastly, you should do a lap job on your heatsink. alternatively, you can take it to a jewler, and they can polish the HSF's bottom surface up to a mirror finish very cheaply.

Then a good coat of Arctic silver 5 and it would be brilliant.

Edu_AnGrA 8th March, 2006 01:14 PM

I'll try to switch off the original fan and see the temps running only with Cooler Master fan. If don't get any better I'll adapt the Microfins dissipator copper base that I don't used before (see in pics).

Gizmo 8th March, 2006 03:46 PM

Front Page Edu_AnGrA! www.aoaforums.com

Edu_AnGrA 8th March, 2006 03:51 PM

WOW!!! Really nice!!!

I'm very, very happy!!!

WonderBread 8th March, 2006 06:46 PM

man, this is tempting, i just dont want to fry my card if i screw up.

devilmyarse 8th March, 2006 08:58 PM

Would this be possible on a Geforce 6800LE with all pipes functioning correctly? Would it be worthwhile for the gains?

Edu_AnGrA 8th March, 2006 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilmyarse
Would this be possible on a Geforce 6800LE with all pipes functioning correctly? Would it be worthwhile for the gains?

It is possible. But you need to know if the pipes are perfect. If they are, you can enable then via softmod ou biosmod, just like I've posted.

The gains gonna be pretty amount because the extras pipes. BUT, 6800LE use DDR1 memories that probally have 2.8ns (or +- 700 MHz). 2.8ns memos can reach maximum 810-830 MHz (and with some hard work)!!!

So, you'll gain some pretty well performance, but you'll need to run in maximum core/memos MHz to push pipes ahead.

Chesso 11th March, 2006 07:29 AM

Can you do any of this cool stuff with older cards lol.

Anyway very nice work I see, glad you made the frontpage mate, errr i'd put a thumbs up emoticon but I can't see them heh heh.

skool h8r 11th March, 2006 01:05 PM

OMFG! this is one great guide! and the pic of your mod are sweet! Nice work!

chronic 24th March, 2006 12:42 AM

Test your gfx cooling to the max!!!!!!!!
 
Hello everyone, 1st post so go easy.:eek:
been looking at the site and this link might help you check the temps on your GFX cards, its an intensive gfx program you can run in windows and monitor GFX temps (with usual temp monitor program) you can see just how good your cooling solution is ....:thumbsup:
this is the program ....[URL="rthdribl"] .....= DX9 Real-Time High-Dynamic Range Image-Based Lighting.
it might just shock you how hot things get and i hope its of use to you all find http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/
:)

Edu_AnGrA 24th March, 2006 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilmyarseIt is possible. But you need to know if the pipes are perfect. If they are, you can enable then via softmod ou biosmod, just like I've posted.

The gains gonna be pretty amount because the extras pipes. BUT, 6800LE use DDR1 memories that probally have 2.8ns (or +- 700 MHz). 2.8ns memos can reach maximum 810-830 MHz (and with some hard work)!!!

So, you'll gain some pretty well performance, but you'll need to run in maximum core/memos MHz to push pipes ahead.
-> Fix: you can enable then via softmod (OR biosmod), just like I've posted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chronic
Hello everyone, 1st post so go easy.:eek:
been looking at the site and this link might help you check the temps on your GFX cards, its an intensive gfx program you can run in windows and monitor GFX temps (with usual temp monitor program) you can see just how good your cooling solution is ....:thumbsup:
this is the program ....[URL="rthdribl"] .....= DX9 Real-Time High-Dynamic Range Image-Based Lighting.
it might just shock you how hot things get and i hope its of use to you all find http://www.daionet.gr.jp/~masa/rthdribl/
:)

Thanks Chesso and skool_h8r. Very nice program chronic! But, did you look at the date? "Ver.1.2 - August 3rd, 2003". I think it is might...late...and probally will do some uggly bugs in newers card.

chronic 25th March, 2006 12:12 AM

rthdribl version 2003
 
Hey it works for me if i want to check my temps with 6800 gs AGP,But i do agree 2003 is dated, i know a few peeps who use this prog and nobody has reported problems that i know of .It is the best thing i have seen yet for checking temps in real time.
Did you find it ok yourself?
PS:we are talking about 6800gs cards of which i have just purchased and unlocked......yey.... BFG £134 and o/c 16/6 420/1.12 MHz
stock cooler temps avg 74c deg with this prog, during css game play 58c deg (ambient temp 28c deg ish ) 52 C idle

Edu_AnGrA 25th March, 2006 12:39 AM

I'll test this prog better!!

My card is 60°C in idle and +- 70° in full load. This week, I've bought a Volcano 10+ to adapt in my card. Hope monday it comes to my house, then I'll adapt and will post more pics for you guys!

Pay attention in your temps...6800GS tends to get hot!!!

chronic 25th March, 2006 12:51 AM

whats your temps with this prog running for 15 mins or so?:confused:
I wish the British climate was the same as Brasil .......lol

Wolf2000me 25th March, 2006 11:05 AM

I bought the elder scrolls Oblivion yesterday. I must say that I've never seen any application that stresses a videocard higher. I really need to do something about cooling on the card as I'm very surprised it didn't get busted when I looked at the temperatures after playing. I read 95°C :eek: :(

When I play Trackmania Nations the temps don't go above 73°C. When playing F.E.A.R. they don't exceed 82°C. To think I was already worried when reading that temperature!

I'm using this card
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...11763&PageId=1

I normally have it clocked at 400/1200 as that is the Gainward "guaranteed" overclock. That will artifact in many games. The weird thing is that the card didn't artifact at 360/1100 at the 95°C.

Any suggestions Edu? :)

What I am going to try in the near future is to remove the heatsinks and apply some AS5. If that doesn't work I'd better get myself a waterblock :)

Oh and congrats on the 3500th view of this thread ;)

Rondog 26th March, 2006 12:35 AM

This is a very interesting mod, I may just get a 6800GS to upgrade my 9800 Pro (after I get my car sound system).

TenaciousT 26th March, 2006 02:07 AM

Great work on this. Very impressive and helpful.

I do have a quick question:

Quote:

I've just modified the Core and Memory clocks to 450/1100 MHz
The core timing is pretty obvious. However, the memory timing seems less obvious.

Do you mean this

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/8224d69c5f.jpg

Note the 550 Mhz I entered and the 1100 Mhz DDR

or this?

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/f541204f11.jpg

Note the 11000 Mhz I entered and the 2200 Mhz DDR

This second picture seems a tad high. I'm assuming the first one for now.

Thanks!

Favu 26th March, 2006 02:10 AM

TenaciousT welcome to the forums!

I am pretty sure it is the first option, resulting in 1100Mhz DDR :thumbsup:

TenaciousT 26th March, 2006 04:42 AM

It's official, YOU can screw this up!

Ok, I admit I screwed things up. However, I also fixed it.

The problem: I'm an idiot.

The other problem: Not reading the freaking directions all the way through.

In a nutshell I created the new bios as instructed. I copied all the same settings. I created a boot CD (I don't have a floppy and CDs usually work fine) and flashed the card.

Everything is trucking along fine. It erased the old bios and started copying the new one. After a second an "end of buffer" message pops up. uh-oh....

Well, I was kind of in a rush (bad idea) so i figure "maybe that means it's done" and I hit the restart switch and the computer reboots. Note: the directions stated it would go back to the prompt. I probably could have hit CTRL+C and retried the flash.

As the first 30 seconds of blank screen tick by I begin to realize the enormity of my mistake. A deep panic set in as I consider the $200 paperweight that's now "powering" the inky black depths of my monitor.

THIS is where the boot CD problem sets in. If I had a boot floppy it wouldn't have been a problem to just reboot the machine and type in the command (which I so smartly wrote down) to reflash to the old bios. Do I have one of those. No. I have to screw around with boot CD menus which I can't see now.

I yelled a rather loud word that rhymes with duck or muck...

So I yank the card out of my machine and drive to work (it's only 3 miles). There I make a boot floppy and I edit the autoexec.bat file to contain the line

nvflash -4 -5 -6 biosback.rom

so that I don't have to screw around with menus I can't see.

I'm thinking, problem solved right?

WRONG!

I swap cards in the machine and power it up.

wait... wait... wait....

The damn thing isn't passing a post! I guess I mucked up the bios so badly that the machine couldn't recognize it as a valid card. Oh I'm super annoyed with myself now.

Fortunately I had read somewhere on this forum the words "hope you have a PCI card around in case you screw up." In my case I was lucky and I did, a winfast S3 Virge/DX thingy. I figure it's got a whopping 8megs? Man I've never been so happy about PCI in my life.

Anyway, I throw that in. The machine fires up and I flash the bios. Fingers crossed I take out the PCI card and start it up.

IT WORKED!

I restarted, tried the biosmod again and this time it finished like it was supposed to. I'm uncertain of why it failed on my home machine, but I'm glad it works now.

Lessons learned:

1) Use a FLOPPY

2) Have a PCI card to back you up

3) Read the directions all the way through.

Thankyou and goodnight.

Edu_AnGrA 4th April, 2006 01:35 PM

Sry for late,

Wolf...WOW, you card really get hot! My 6800GS modded to Ultra Extreme with 1.4Vcore was showing 60~62°C idle and some 67~75°C under full load. I don't like hot temps, and I bought a TT Volcano 10+ Slim to adapt in my card. The adaptation was a complete sucess! Now the card have 44~46°C idle and 50-55°C full. I pretty nice reduction, don't you guys think? Much better then Zalman VF700Cu (or similars) and MUCH cheaper solution!!!

Tenacioust,

Obvious that 1100 MHz in memory means 550 MHz-DDR (because our card use GDDR3 memory, so...you always need to calculate with DDR standards).

And, yeah...use a floppy disk next time. Thats why I've done a guide with floppy boot disk not a cd-rom boot disk.

=D

DJAngelicon 11th April, 2006 05:10 AM

Hi there,

I found this site looking for a softmod for a 6800GS which is coming tomorrow. I order this card here; http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...?EdpNo=1782292 and I was wondering if anyone have tried it with this video card yet?

I might try it but not sure if I would do the entire mod since I want my card to be under warraty in case I have to send it in. However, I have tried mods like this before on other cards and I have been successful it just that this time is the first time I am actually going to mess around with a 6800GS card.

So, any advice or tip that anyone can give me before starting this would be great. As far as the fan go that mod is great foor a cooling solution. I heard the 6800GS can get pretty darn hot on its own. Anyone know what is the stock temp range on a 6800GS by any chance?

messerchmidt 16th April, 2006 03:40 PM

I got the EVGA 6800GS OC edition (400mhz core) AGP - My card was running @ 60*C ish stock idle and 70*Cish under full load. My card is at 16/6 - no problems

I got an NV silencer 3 rev 5 on my card, knocked off about 10*C off idle and 12* off full load. got the card going at 450core and 1200 ram with 1.4 vols and 53*C idle and 58* load. I used artic silver 5 on the core and ram chips for added cooling.

Running this on an Athlon Xp-M 2500+ @ 2.4ghz with 2gb ram and an ABit NF7-S rev1.2

Hey Edu_AnGra post the mode pictures, how did you get the volcano 10+ slim to fit/stay on there?

Lord_Nerevar 9th May, 2006 06:29 PM

got a problem with it, just get a new Palit 6800 GS 512 mb but look :
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/6...vatuner6fc.jpg
where are the O/C options :/ ?


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