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Old 30th September, 2012, 01:49 AM
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WOW! When you look at this...

You have to wonder why Steam even tries to accommodate Linux users...If Steam gets this done for us (The porting of Windows games to Linux) we will owe them something...

The best way I can think of to repay them is to buy the games they port...was that to self centered? ":O}
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Old 30th September, 2012, 03:32 AM
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Bear in mind, though, that right now any Linux systems playing Steam are likely gonna show up as Windows systems, because they are running Wine to do it.
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Old 30th September, 2012, 08:34 AM
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Actually Chris you and I will be surprised to know that Steam can tell what version of Windows I'm emulating and what version of wine I'm using to do it...but it thinks my Graphics card is a 8300Gs. A card I confess I've never owned.
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Old 30th September, 2012, 09:34 AM
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It's not really surprising. Windows provides a method to ask what version of Windows is running, and Wine just reports back that it's Wine, rather than Windows. That's likely to result in your system showing up as "Unknown". Alas, Wine runs on more than just Linux,so an indicator of Wine doesn't mean Linux. Valve have no way of knowing if Wine is running on Linux or QNX or Haiku or OpenBSD or OS/2 or whatever platform.

Looking in a bit, and it seems that you can edit the registry for Wine to change what graphics card is reported. Looking at UsefulRegistryKeys - The Official Wine Wiki there's a VideoPciDeviceID and a VideoPciVendorID as well as a VideoMemorySize that sets the VID and PID and graphics memory for the graphics card. It should be possible to set those so that Wine actually reports your graphics card ID rather than what Wine has guessed your card to be.

It seems that Wine has a list of PCI IDs for graphics card, and defaults to an 8300GS when the card isn't on it's list. Effectively Wine is downgrading your graphics card to be a Geforce 8 card, which changes how some programs will drive the card.
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Old 30th September, 2012, 10:50 AM
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well out of courtesy to you Aedan I looked, then ran away!

When the first line starts with:

"Users should never have to play with the registry."

I know they are talking about me again! ":O}

But at lest I know what's going on. I thought it was Steam, but Wine seems far more likely now that I know.
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Cabernet Sauvignon anyone?
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We are hoping it will be a good year...
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When the first line starts with:

"Users should never have to play with the registry."
Yeah, but that's only true if Wine is completely up to date. So, therefore, users do have to play with the registry to fix issues that the code should have detected.
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But....I'm afraid...
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Like I wrote elsewhere... the true test is your frame rate in games not the reported specs themselves
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we should also consider the fps / crash ratio, me thinks.
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true, I consider the crash ratio a defunct game test...
But I know what you are saying Chrisbard
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Like I wrote elsewhere... the true test is your frame rate in games not the reported specs themselves
Indeed - but some games change the code they present to the GPU dependant on what they detect.
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oh stop it with your techno-mumbo-jumbo!
frame-rates is where its at... or are you talking WebGL again?
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Yeah, that's my point! A number of games have chosen to use different code depending on what the graphics card reported is! Misreporting the graphics card might cause the game to choose a less optimal version of code.

You could use the video card registry entries linked above to see if it does actually affect the FPS or not. I don't know - but it might be worth finding out!

Incidentaly, what video driver does steam think you are using?
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Yeah, that's my point! A number of games have chosen to use different code depending on what the graphics card reported is! Misreporting the graphics card might cause the game to choose a less optimal version of code.

You could use the video card registry entries linked above to see if it does actually affect the FPS or not. I don't know - but it might be worth finding out!

Incidentaly, what video driver does steam think you are using?
Let me take a look and see, be right back. It's doesn't hazard a guess....
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Funny they would know my CPU so well and not my Graphics card...one would think....
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Looking at the most current version of wine (1.5.14), and it'll be reporting your card as a 128Mb 8300GS, DX10 capable with nvidia driver version 6.15.12.6658.

I've also attached the card list (in CSV form) that's embedded in Wine 1.5.14, so you can see how stuff is reported. I note that there are no DX10.1 and DX11 capable devices listed in Wine.
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Just doublechecked. Your graphics card should be properly recognised in all versions of Wine that are 1.5.5 or newer. Borderlands POL install specifies a version of Wine that is 1.3.26. Steam POL install specifies a version of Wine that is 1.4.1. Neither of those are from the last 14 months or so. It does make me wonder how well they'd work with a newer release of Wine.
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Borderlands worked on Wine 1.4.1 for me.
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