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Daniel ~ 24th September, 2012 10:14 PM

I'll check them out, may even look into EVGA drivers...

booman 24th September, 2012 10:32 PM

I just checked, no Linux drivers on EVGA website.

Daniel ~ 24th September, 2012 10:44 PM

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Ah! But Nvidia shall provide...Not the 306 but something! I'll go try'em out!

booman 24th September, 2012 10:50 PM

it never hurts to try an older one

ThunderRd 25th September, 2012 03:14 AM

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Originally Posted by booman (Post 519708)

The guy that was modding the Omega drivers hasn't kept the site current for several years, and IIRC he only made driver mods for Windows. Unless things have changed, you won't find anything there.

@Daniel: You might try running a GPU utility like Afterburner or EVGA Precision to see what you card is doing. Both are written by the same guy that developed the legendary RivaTuner, which was the best of the best. The only problem is, they are Windows programs, so you will have to see if they run in WINE.

booman 25th September, 2012 05:25 PM

ooh, not a bad idea....
running Riva Tuner in wine
I'll have to try that too

ThunderRd 25th September, 2012 05:33 PM

Don't use RIVA. Use one of the others. RivaTuner is pretty much a dead project now. The last version of it is probably 2 years old and does not support GPUs after the GTX4xx series, I'm quite sure.

Aedan 25th September, 2012 05:48 PM

If you have to communicate with a driver directly, then Wine isn't going to cut it. However, there is a "coolbits" setting you could change in the xorg.conf file under the "Device" section. Basically, you'd set the "coolbits" option to "5". See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php...g_overclocking - don't set it to "1", but to "5" instead.

Note, this does NOT work on Fermi or Kepler based cards.

booman 25th September, 2012 05:51 PM

yeah, you are probably right, its a good idea for older cards
I still wonder if it works in Wine

Daniel ~ 25th September, 2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Aedan (Post 519743)
If you have to communicate with a driver directly, then Wine isn't going to cut it. However, there is a "coolbits" setting you could change in the xorg.conf file under the "Device" section. Basically, you'd set the "coolbits" option to "5". See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php...g_overclocking - don't set it to "1", but to "5" instead.

Note, this does NOT work on Fermi or Kepler based cards.

Very nice! Unfortunately I have a Kepler card...":O}

Daniel ~ 25th September, 2012 06:51 PM

So far only my two bench marks, Fluid-marks and Fur-marks properly ID my card... Half life series runs great...every thing else, not so much...Modern warfare 2 comes next, still have some hope for settings in that one... I think this may have to wait for proper drivers before I can know what is causing what...

As always thanks for your time and interest! ":O}

booman 25th September, 2012 07:37 PM

what is the name of your card again?

Daniel ~ 25th September, 2012 11:03 PM

See it here in all it's ragged glory! ":O}


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130787"]EVGA 02G-P4-2678-KR GeForce GTX 670 FTW 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

booman 26th September, 2012 12:08 AM

I'm reading the reviews and Winblows users are having Red Screen Of Death problems and driver problems with this card.
One guy did benchmarks but when he played a game it would crash Winblows....
Several people mentioned that it gets very HOT.
One thing you can do is take off that heatsink & fan, then apply some Arctic Silver to the GPU and Memory (if the heatsink is in contact)

This can lower the temperature and possible limit artifacts.
I had an older card over heat due to a dying fan and it had artifacts all over the place!

Daniel ~ 26th September, 2012 12:48 AM

She actually runs very cool! Water cooled my 8800GTX would idle at around 45... this card is air cooled to 33C at 68F ambient. I have no trouble with any Half-life game. My feeling is that the card is OK....

I try running some benchies in small screen so I can watch temps...

chrisbard 26th September, 2012 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by booman (Post 519757)
I'm reading the reviews and Winblows users are having Red Screen Of Death problems and driver problems with this card.
One guy did benchmarks but when he played a game it would crash Winblows....
Several people mentioned that it gets very HOT.
One thing you can do is take off that heatsink & fan, then apply some Arctic Silver to the GPU and Memory (if the heatsink is in contact)

This can lower the temperature and possible limit artifacts.
I had an older card over heat due to a dying fan and it had artifacts all over the place!

As you noted towards the end of the post the card might have cooling problems. Windows users are able to use the card to the max of it's designated potential unlike ppl that are using the card to display a linux theme. That means that any fault in the card, wether a heating problem or something else, will trigger a system "crash". There is also a small chance that it might be a driver problem but anyway it it not down to the OS so you can't actually blame it. Instead linux has a lot of issues with modern hardware up to the point that you can't use your favorite distro unless you spend hours after hours setting it up...or might not work at all.

ThunderRd 26th September, 2012 01:28 AM

If you want to give it the most complete stress test just set up the folding client. It will run at 100% and you can check your temps then. It's a bit complicated because there is no native version for Linux, so you need WINE, but it works.

Daniel ~ 26th September, 2012 01:32 AM

So far after 15 mins of Stress testing at Max performance, the highest temp I've seen is 68C.

Lead the way ThunderRd! How about a new thread on GPU Folding to get me started...I'm sure Boo wants to GPU fold as well, don't cha Boo!?":O}

Changed Stress test to Furmarks and got a 70C after 10 mins... Bear in mind I'm only at 68 F Ambient... Summer could be hard on these cards!

ThunderRd 26th September, 2012 03:50 PM

I'm on it.

I have not set it up in WINE as yet, but I do know that it works and it is documented. It will take some time to get it together, and I am working in a different distro.

Daniel ~ 26th September, 2012 06:14 PM

Understood! Not to worry, I'm buried in projects at the moment...so just when ever you can! I put the rest of my stuff on hold when your ready. ":O}

Daniel ~ 26th September, 2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ThunderRd (Post 519657)
That screenshot is showing the throttled settings under PowerMizer.

Turn it off to see the un throttled numbers. I don't use PowerMizer because the box is always folding. If you're not going to fold with the GPU then you can save a bit on the electric bill with it.

Oh! I wanted to say that it's not a throttle! It's adaptive like my 2600K. It responds to need and Increases power as needed...I like this! This is cool when I'm lazy and hot when I'm crazy in games! ":O}

Daniel ~ 3rd October, 2012 04:03 AM

Mint just updated and My Additional Drivers app is working again. So all is good on the driver front once more.":O}

booman 3rd October, 2012 05:10 AM

Serious???
Really???

That is completely awesome!!!!
Great news!
and thumbs up for Mint again!!!
That was pretty quick

Daniel ~ 5th October, 2012 07:09 PM

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Mint don't sleep on updates":O}

booman 5th October, 2012 07:16 PM

Thats good to hear because I like knowing they keep their updates up-to-date

Daniel ~ 5th October, 2012 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisbard (Post 519760)
As you noted towards the end of the post the card might have cooling problems. Windows users are able to use the card to the max of it's designated potential unlike ppl that are using the card to display a linux theme. That means that any fault in the card, wether a heating problem or something else, will trigger a system "crash". There is also a small chance that it might be a driver problem but anyway it it not down to the OS so you can't actually blame it. Instead linux has a lot of issues with modern hardware up to the point that you can't use your favorite distro unless you spend hours after hours setting it up...or might not work at all.

And what Modern hardware does Linux have lots of problems with?
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Windows users are able to use the card to the max of it's designated potential unlike ppl that are using the card to display a linux theme.
So having a Penguin to display rather than a calculator slows hardware up some how? You of course have cross platform stats that support this statement?

That my card runs slower in Linux than other OS's? I'm not talking about running Windows games under emulation, as emulation is an inherit slow down.

I ran Quake 1-4 in Linux and it beat crap out of windows, as Quake was a native Linux game. My card preforms to it's hardware limits in Mint and I have bench marks that confirm that, what have you got besides a negative opinion of anything not MS?

Chris Linux is not MS and most of us NEVER want it to be. That it's not MS and still makes us happy seems to just piss you off.

We are still going to be happy. You saying what we have isn't good enough, doesn't make it so. We are happy. If you can't be happy for us, why not just leave Linux alone?

We have tons of things are can agree upon and laugh. Why not stay with that which we can agree upon?

booman 5th October, 2012 07:32 PM

my Gigabyte motherboard for one... your new GeForce 670 video card for two... I'm sure there are more examples.
But, we got through it didn't we?
I know Windows can have the same problem with new hardware and drivers/software.

Daniel ~ 5th October, 2012 07:46 PM

Now wait a minute! I was never for a single moment without a fully functional Card. It always played half life, Riddick and Modern warfare and only Modern warfare has any problems.

I think we can agree that my cards problems were cross platform and originated with Nvidia.

With four lines of code from Aedan my problems were over. Thats Linux solving problems, not making them. My Brand new printer, I plugged it in , it worked.

My monitor, keyboard, mouse, USB 3.0 Back up Drive, Gen III Sata Drives. Do I have to go on?

Linux does not have a problem with ANY of my BRAND NEW MODERN hardware.

Games. Games "Can be" a real bitch in Linux as you and I know Boo. But Hardware being a problem, modern hardware a problem...when am I going to see these problems for myself?

All the stuff I bought to build an entirely new computer, I didn't send back one thing because it wouldn't work in Linux. I do try to only buy Linux approved Hardware, where the manufacture says it will work. But often even when Linux isn't mentioned, the hardware will work just fine.

So tell me what hardware problems does Linux present to the average user?

(By average, I mean me.":O}

Your Gigabyte board...as it's just one board, perhaps that was more Gigabyte than Linux?

booman 5th October, 2012 08:07 PM

You have had more positive experience with new hardware than I have.
Linux has always been great with older hardware, but I mentioned your video card because Mint 13 didn't have the updated drivers yet and the Nvidia ones didn't work either. At least they didn't work like they were supposed to.
You weren't without working hardware but you had to do a LOT of trial-n-error to figure out what the problem was for the video card.
That is typical of Linux because I still don't fully understand everything yet.
Its hard to know who was at fault... could be Nvidia, could be Linux kernel, could be Mint 13... I don't know.
But I hope that video card works out-of-the-box with current drivers on Winblows.
My Gigabyte issues turned out to be simple, but took many hours in trial-n-error to figure it out. Hence the tutorial.
Sadly I still had booting to Mint 13 USB problems with another compute that has a Gigabyte motherboard and a New Toshiba laptop at work.
Not sure whats going on there... Fedora 16 booted up just fine (had to add nomoeset of course).

Anyways, I'm glad you are the AOAForums Linux ginnea pig because it sounds like Mint 13 has been working out GREAT!

Honestly, I was perfectly fine with Fedora too! It ran flawlessly and even some games like Drakensang ran fine.
The reason I decided on Mint is because of the standard users coming from Winblow environment. Its just easier.

Daniel ~ 5th October, 2012 08:19 PM

BOO! Everyone in windows who had this card was scrambling for answers to! This was Nivdia, not Mint. I was trying to find out what was going on. The card was always fine. The Nvidia reporting was an issue.

Windose users report overheating problems I've never seen, runs very cool for me. But I'm not going to say thats because they are using windoze!!

I'm going to say it's probably because I got lucky. When everything I buy works just fine, how can I say that Linux has trouble with new hardware? At that point I have to insist that Linux, like Windoz has trouble occasionally with a particular piece of hardware... To go from that to Linux has trouble with all modern hardware is just silly.It just doesn't!

booman 5th October, 2012 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel ~ (Post 520321)
BOO! Everyone in windows who had this card was scrambling for answers to! This was Nivdia, not Mint. I was trying to find out what was going on. The card was always fine. The Nvidia reporting was an issue.

Windose users report overheating problems I've never seen, runs very cool for me. But I'm not going to say thats because they are using windoze!!

I'm going to say it's probably because I got lucky. When everything I buy works just fine, how can I say that Linux has trouble with new hardware? At that point I have to insist that Linux, like Windoz has trouble occasionally with a particular piece of hardware... To go from that to Linux has trouble with all modern hardware is just silly.It just doesn't!

You are right! I forgot about that!
There were many comments on newegg.com about people having driver and heat issues.. go figure.
I totally agree, that is why I didn't give up on Mint 13. I just had to keep trying different things until my motherboard liked it.
Linux rocks! At this point I'm never turning back!
Like I wrote elsewhere... I will always have at least one Windows box for "those games" that refuse to run on Linux, but I'm aiming for Linux all around

Daniel ~ 5th October, 2012 08:32 PM

It just gets in your blood boy, you can't get free again! LOL

booman 5th October, 2012 08:50 PM

Do you remember the first time you tried Linux?

I was excited and kinda worried all at the same time.
I couldn't wait to try something different than Winblows, but I wasn't sure how to do anything.

Daniel ~ 5th October, 2012 11:59 PM

I can clearly remember when I did not understand the difference between my new computer and the internet, such as it was at the time. I took me days if not weeks to learn what was what! ":O}

Daniel ~ 6th October, 2012 12:02 AM

I entered two support tickets with Steam, one for my card being mis-IDed and one for Crysis and Securom...we willl see:

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Aedan 6th October, 2012 09:17 AM

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Mint don't sleep on updates":O}

Why, oh why don't the show the version of the nVidia drivers? "version current" tells me nothing!

booman 6th October, 2012 01:32 PM

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I entered two support tickets with Steam, one for my card being mis-IDed and one for Crysis and Securom...we willl see:

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Cool! Let us know what Steam Support has to say.... I'm curious if they are going to be helpful at all... since we aren't using native Linux they may not support it. I have a feeling they will just send you some Wine links and give you the run-around.

The only time I submitted a ticket with Steam was when I almost gave up on it. I was having MAJOR problems running Half-Life 2 & Counter-Strike:Source in offline mode during LAN parties. They wouldn't connect to my Linux server and wouldn't connect to each other.... then I started getting random errors about no login information on the computer... bla bla bla
Steam Support actually helped a bit, but after a few Steam updates somehow it fixed itsself. I still can't connect to my server with Steam offline but I CAN connect to the workstations.
So they were kinda helpful

Daniel ~ 6th October, 2012 06:55 PM

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Why, oh why don't the show the version of the nVidia drivers? "version current" tells me nothing!

You know they use to. They use to offer at least three choices in drivers and tell which was which. But we do have access to the info we need from Nvidia...

Daniel ~ 6th October, 2012 07:01 PM

Here's the thing. I bought this game from Steam. Therefore I have a reasonable expectation that it will launch....As I use Linux whatever happens after it launches is on me and my Destro.

But this SecuRom is not even letting the game try to launch, that's on Steam as they sold me this game.

If I have to do anything beyond contacting Steam to get this fixed, I will be very disappointed... That said, I think your right Boo, I think they will give me a url and say you guys figure this out.... We will see...sigh...

Daniel ~ 6th October, 2012 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by booman (Post 520326)
Do you remember the first time you tried Linux?

I was excited and kinda worried all at the same time.
I couldn't wait to try something different than Winblows, but I wasn't sure how to do anything.

The funny thing is that looking back...the clearest memory I have is fear. I've always been afraid of my software and hardware. I think there are at lest two reasons.
1. I'm poor and hardware and software was very expensive for me.
but the second condition I think was most responsible

2. I have never really known what I am doing.
There is always a vast body of knowledge that I know is there, but just can not reach.

I've always needed far more courage than I should to play with hardware!

For me, this is really hard stuff!!":O}


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