Assembly Programmers

[Garfield]

Are there any other Assembly programmers here? I, personally, love Assembly and I think it is one of the best languages (well, that's a bias opinion ). I also love C. C and Assembly are my two favorite languages.

What are yours?

[Aedan]

680x0 ASM is seriously funky, 6502 ASM is pretty good too. I don't like 80x86 ASM though. PIC ASM is okish, but very different from most "mainstream" processors.

REXX is a pretty nice language for some things. VB is useful for really quick'n'dirty stuff, but not releasable. Never really got on with Ada, Pascal is ok, BASIC's ok I guess. C is too unstructured in some places. Java's funky though.

AidanII

[Garfield]

>> C is too unstructured in some places <<

Can you explain this statement?

[Superman]

Originally posted by Garfield
>> C is too unstructured in some places <<

Can you explain this statement?

Now if you really wanted to give Aidan a challenge, you should've asked, "Can you explain this statement in 1 paragraph or less, LOL." (j/k)

[Superman]

Originally posted by AidanII
680x0 ASM is seriously funky, 6502 ASM is pretty good too. I don't like 80x86 ASM though. PIC ASM is okish, but very different from most "mainstream" processors.

REXX is a pretty nice language for some things. VB is useful for really quick'n'dirty stuff, but not releasable. Never really got on with Ada, Pascal is ok, BASIC's ok I guess. C is too unstructured in some places. Java's funky though.

AidanII

So does "funky" mean the same thing as "good"

Sounds like what you'd hear at a discotechque (sp?)

[Aedan]

Originally posted by Garfield
>> C is too unstructured in some places <<
Can you explain this statement?

C is a little odd, in that it provides many things to help a programmer on their way, at the same time as offering many places to fall over. It's far too sloppy with many things, conversions, initalization and others... After all, just *how* many bugs are down to null pointers?

That's what I mean by unstructured - it allows the programmer to be as sloppy as they please.

AidanII

[Aedan]

Originally posted by Superman53142
So does "funky" mean the same thing as "good"
Sounds like what you'd hear at a discotechque (sp?)

Disco? Hmm.... I think there might be a little difference in cultures here!

Funky in this sense means it's interesting and different, and looks like it has potential.

AidanII

[madfool81]

Originally posted by AidanII


C is a little odd, in that it provides many things to help a programmer on their way, at the same time as offering many places to fall over. It's far too sloppy with many things, conversions, initalization and others... After all, just *how* many bugs are down to null pointers?

That's what I mean by unstructured - it allows the programmer to be as sloppy as they please.

AidanII

That’s a fair statement. I prefer the term flexible to unstructured, as it's possible to right very structured code in C, depending on programming style.

C is very flexible, which is why it's not particularly good as a training language ... it allows people to get into bad practices (taking short cuts, not thinking algorithms through, etc.) too early.

That being said, its flexibility is also a great strength. It means that you can take a short cut in the code, when the speed/memory requires it. It allows you to play with pointers and variables alike, which is close to machine code, and means that you can manipulate data structures in ways that you can't even dream about in many other high level languages. On a slightly biased note, I also find C one of the most cosmetically easy languages to read.

It has a wealth of libraries and UNIX (and flavours of) users probably know that all the typical methods in these libraries are documented within the man pages. Thus making UNIX a lovely platform to develop C upon.

The only language that I use which is probably more flexible is Perl. Some of the things that can be coded in Perl are scary, but cool.

Motorola "6809" and "6811" are the only two code sets that I have played with. I liked them. Don't know how to go about programming machine code for Windows platforms ... that might be a challenge. Anyone know where I should start?

[Aedan]

Originally posted by madfool81
Don't know how to go about programming machine code for Windows platforms ... that might be a challenge. Anyone know where I should start?

C

Microsoft seem to work fairly hard at trying to persaude people that they can't program windows in Asm. There's a lot of digging around to find the details you need, and it's a lot of work. It is possible though!

AidanII

[wonko the sane]

I've used several different languages (C, C++, java, basic, VB, x86 asm) i like c++ best, as it is very flexable and pretty easy to modularize. x86 asm i just got done taking a class in, and 1 lab that multiplied 2 numbers that were input from keyboard took like 5 hrs to write, but is very small and runs fast. i guess what i'm trying to say is each has it's strong points, and weaknesses.

[[PCE]Psycho]

I'd like to have a go ay learning asembly. If anyones got any good links to sites for the n00b (for programming in assembly not just programming.

[Garfield]

http://64.91.238.78/forums/forumdisp...?s=&forumid=30

Here is a board to learn from. There's a sticky there with sources...

[Superman]

Originally posted by Garfield
http://64.91.238.78/forums/forumdisp...amp;forumid=30

Here is a board to learn from. There's a sticky there with sources...

Hey, cool, you're back

/me is happy

[Garfield]

Hehe! Yeah, I've been quite busy with other stuff (programming my OS). I should be spending more time here now that it's summer ...